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Post  William Erikson on Thu May 10, 2012 5:49 pm

in vampire under rare occasion a caitiff can find his origin and be acknowledged by his clan aka a a catiff could become a brujah in name at least, is the same true about bonegnawers? could an outcast from one tribe go back after gaining power and status no one though he could? just a theoretical question that came to mind.

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Thu May 10, 2012 6:33 pm

*shrug* I have never heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't possible.

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Post  Wishbone on Thu May 10, 2012 8:20 pm

It's not impossible for a tribe to adopt members. The Bone Gnawers and CoGs do it all the time. It's just that most of the other tribes wouldn't, barring amazingly unusual circumstances. The Silver Fangs, Shadow Lords, and Get all have a big thing about bloodline purity, and would be VERY unlikely to accept a "mongrel." The Black Furies might accept a really badass female Gnawer who was dedicated to their ideals. The Uktena...well, who knows WHY they do the things they do? They might accept a Gnawer. The Wendigo? Probably not--a Wyrmcomer is a Wyrmcomer.

The Fianna would just get the Gnawer drunk and then cover him in tattoos.

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Post  William Erikson on Thu May 10, 2012 11:13 pm

would that mean they now have access to their new tribes gifts?

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Post  Guest on Fri May 11, 2012 12:37 am

The question is not can adoption into a tribe occur but in what direction would it occur.

Remember that to be accepted into a tribe not only do the tribe members have to agree but so does the Tribes Totem. What usually happens is someone is born into a tribe where they are not accepted.

The most common such occurance is the Male Black Fury who as a Kinfolk was raised to be obedient to his sisters and aunts. His job in the furture is to breed more daughters for the tribe. But on his 16th Birthday oooppss... he is a Garou. Now we cant discard a perfectly good Garou but then of course despite 3 levels of Pure Breed we have a Male Black Fury. So now we have a Garou shopping for a Tribe and the most likely one is Child of Gaia.

But the other way around you have an adult Garou who is part of a Tribe, has been taught Tribal Gifts supposedly has a good relationship with the Tribal Totem. And your going to sacrafice that relationship to go serve a different Tribal Totem ???

I think a Curse from the Tribal Totem you just abandoned, probably the emnity of that Tribe and a serious dose of Spirit Noteriety all just landed on this Character. You can give up your Auspice and Start a New there is a Ritual for that you loose all you Auspice Gifts??? But Giving up your Tribe once you are apart of one that sounds dangerous to me. Become a Tribe Friend with another tribe yes abandon your spiritual ties to your old tribe dangerous very dangerous.

Oh.. I know it does happen in one particulair group of Garou where you get to keep your old tribal gifts but then walking the Spiral is different.

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Fri May 11, 2012 8:26 am

you know... walking the spiral.....i would get MORE gifts?

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Post  Wishbone on Fri May 11, 2012 12:47 pm

Suuure you would.

Sewer Pipe, could you please give him Falling Touch and Razor Claws...repeatedly?

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Fri May 11, 2012 1:07 pm

ever wonder just how pissed a totem can get? quit there tribe and join another.

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Post  Brings the Light of Luna on Fri May 11, 2012 4:52 pm

Ooo...I wanna watch (from a safe distance) to see what Fenrir does to him!

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Fri May 11, 2012 5:26 pm

I am pretty sure he means he thinks i should be get.

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*chuckles*

Post  Guest on Fri May 11, 2012 6:33 pm

The problem is the sheer level of Tribal interplay. Being a Bone Gnawer despite the leadership of the sept as it currently stands is a Social Stigmata similar to being untouchable in India was say 100+ Years ago.

I mean a Bone Gnawer can truely excel at what they do and well they are still a Bone Gnawer you dont let them mary into the family and you keep them away from your Kinfolk. Rolling Eyes

Certain tribes are less prejudiced but they dont include the Silver Fangs, Shadow Lords, or the Get of Fenris.



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Post  Sewer Pipe on Fri May 11, 2012 6:49 pm

we are down a trait in social challenges for a reason.

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Post  Wishbone on Fri May 11, 2012 6:53 pm

Hell, in the red book, we were down a rank.

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Post  William Erikson on Mon May 14, 2012 2:09 am

hey im just curious due to some stuff in sabbot, a catiff getting a clan possibly i thought bone gnawer = catiff maybe i have no idea.... i love my tribe and have no intention of leaving or bringing someone in, remember get are racist sons of bitches

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*evil grin*

Post  Guest on Mon May 14, 2012 2:24 am

Ok...

I understand but no Cattif are without Clan.... Bone Gnawers are the Lowest form of a Clan they have a Tribal Totem one they share with Rat Kin Suspect Shocked

So there isnt really a comparisson between the two. A Catiff can join a clan if he can find sponsorship and if he is willing to accept the likely blood bond cost.

A Bonegnawer is a Bonegnawer either thru Birth or Circumstance. Its easier to fall down the Social Ladder of the Garou World then it is to climb up it. Its not impossible to climb up it but it is not without costs.

As an example the Bonegnawers accept Metis much more readily then do many of the other tribes. Some Tribes Kill them at birth or leave them exposed outside the Caern where either Gaia claims them back or the Local Bone Gnawer Ragabash steals them off to raise as a Bone Gnawer or maybe the Child of Gaia take mercy upon the pup and they rescue the babe.

Lets use the Get as an Example ..... They left the Metis out to be Judged by Gaia. The Gnawers rescued the pup raised it and brought it into their tribe.

Now 25 years later the Metis has proven himself to be so Great a Warrior that Fenris recognizes him as one of his Children and is willing to bring him back into his Tribe. So what you have is a conflict between to Totem both of War. Fenris is poaching one of Rats Children... If the Great Warrior wants to go back to Fenris now he has really angered Rat and probably receives a Curse.

Next our new Get probably has to prove himself to the people who cast him out maybe by walking the gauntlet while they try to kill him.... If he can succeed well heck let him in.... But honestly it aint going to be easy and Rat never Forgets or Forgives affraid


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Post  William Erikson on Mon May 14, 2012 2:37 am

ok, that makes sense i always forget about the spirits in htis game so different from vamp

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Tue May 15, 2012 8:31 pm

though in the bone gnawer fluff it is mentioned repeatedly that people do accept invitations to other tribes.... and that some purposely work towards it

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Post  Stbrian on Tue May 15, 2012 8:33 pm

Yes. Changing Tribe/Auspice is definitely possible. Not easy, but possible.

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Post  STBucky on Tue May 15, 2012 9:13 pm

Throwing this out there...

Almost everything in the game is mercurial... who can get what powers, what you can be, etc... there's not a lot of crunch on the subject, but anythings possible.

Now, that said, BIG changes like Auspice or Tribe SHOULD be VERY difficult indeed... but to put in perspective... you can just change your mind about the black spiral and walk through erebus..... it's UNLIKELY, but it CAN happen.


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Post  William Erikson on Wed May 16, 2012 2:04 am

what is erebus?

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*Evil Cackle*

Post  Guest on Wed May 16, 2012 2:17 am

Ok...

Its supposedly a Mythical Place even to Garou.... Guarded by Cerebus the Three Headed Hound. It is a place of dark gaves filled with flowing rivers of Silver its the pure definition of a bad place to be if your a Garou.

Or... its a place where those who have been corrupted but seek redemption go to be purified in the Rivers and Lakes of Molten Silver *Insert Owch... the stinging*


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Post  Brings the Light of Luna on Wed May 16, 2012 8:40 am

I think even Malfeas has a longer life expectancy...

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Wed May 16, 2012 8:54 am

I'll let you know.

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Post  STBucky on Wed May 16, 2012 9:08 am

Well Malfeas is where heroes go to die..... but it does have one major advantage over erebus.... The Malfean Realm isn't mythical, heck, it's not even hard to find.... one could say it's almost intentionally easy to get to..... odd right?

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Post  Brings the Light of Luna on Wed May 16, 2012 3:49 pm

Except for that unfortunate catch where it is impossible to leave without the consent of a servant of the Wyrm.

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Wed May 16, 2012 3:51 pm

By the time i am done, they will be begging me to leave.

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Post  Brings the Light of Luna on Wed May 16, 2012 3:54 pm

Greater garou than Sewer Pipe have tried...

Then again, could always just have someone use Command Spirit on a lesser jaggling. "Give your consent for me to leave. Now."

Or Command on a BSD.

Or Obedience.

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Post  Sewer Pipe on Wed May 16, 2012 4:38 pm

Greater Garou? Than Sewer Pipe? *Does not compute*

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